Carlos gaggleExpert Energy Advisor, Mining and Renewable, provides an interview 20 Minutos In it he confirms that with the information he is available April 28 That Spain and Portugal remains in the dark, This was caused by the failure of the electric system due to excessive teachingA judgment that does not make the necessary investments, but whose planning is delayed. In his opinion, an operator’s technical failure, an elegant disconnection or an attack on a company cannot leave the entire Peninsula electrical system to zero.
Citizens, in addition to demanding responsibility, they want to know if another blackout can be repeated. What do we say to them?
The impossible is very high, but there is no zero risk. The imbalances in the Spanish power system and the power generation are currently being given It should not be rejected that there may be some kind of blackout. With the latest measures that the Red Electric has not happened, we spend a few months on summer, but it is not exit.
“With definitive data, the most reliable description is that the concentration problems in the electric red infrastructure are given to the renewable generation”
What do you think is the most reliable cause of the darkness of April 28?There were two isolated events as explained by the government. But the disconnection of the power generation plant does not justify the blackout of the Spanish Peninsula, total blackout. In the same places, as in the same as the rest of the Peninsula, There are problems with the network rise. Any oscillation, tension peak or falling can create a large imbalance and mass darkness in the network.
In fact, there were relatively recent announcements that blackouts could be caused by the imbalance of the system (generation/need).It has been announcing an indirect risk for a few weeks on the electric network because it can create massive connectivity imbalances of renewableOvarian Even the blackout. A few weeks ago, Repsole reported a blackout. He had to stop supplying electricity due to trouble at the Cartorgina sub -power station. The most credible description with specific data, that is that Concentration issues in electric red infrastructure with renewable generation It is a non -linear generation, and the network is the uprising that can cause massive blackouts, considering the inequalities found on the system these days.
However, the government has not rejected the cyber attack. Is it possible to artificially change the request and hack the system?As the Red Electric, and all experts are the most efficient in Europe and the world in accordance with the protection of the Red Electric and the forecast of external attacks. (Cyber attack) is not very possible. There is no sign, so the Red Electrica has judged it directly after making its checks.
“The problem is that we are at two speeds by introducing a renewable and network infrastructure”
The last leaked thing is that a computer virus can affect a company in this field. Can you convince you?The theory that the computer attack has introduced a virus to a company in this field, which has a photo -inflammatory facilities, and it has caused a cyber attack, and is a fall in this dark and electrical network infrastructure, ignoring safety norms.
In those two events in the southwest. What are we talking about?There are two power generation facilities that are affected by a problem and disconnected from the network on Monday. But, regardless of whether this is real, we can still tighten, it is a deliberate disconnect, That issue cannot cause total blackout Electrical system.
To what extent the government is responsible?It is difficult to evaluate the type of responsibility for the government. On the one hand, we know that electric red infrastructure requires new investments for the already recognized network extension. There is a 2026-2031 project, which must soon get the Congress of the representatives. We have been aware of these networks for two years. This government has chosen very strong for renewable ones, and on the other hand we bet. This is the change in the power generation model, which is greatly beneficial for Spain. We see the price of electricity at zero cost, thanks to the renewable people. But this is the anticipation of the renewable dedication and the problem of blackness, and the expectation of electricity is expected by building how to overcome electricity generation. Over the next few days, we will see the type of responsibility and what is the situation.
Why does the government insist on seeking responsibility for private operators?The government assumes that the isolated facts may be responsible, and the events of private operators have cut off some facilities, which have caused a black structure darkening. But if we have to worry about disconnecting a 300 MW installation and it causes a common darkness, it will be dark every month. It won’t support it. These isolated facts do not justify us with the problem of common darkness.
What is justifying it?A Uphill According to protocols installed from Spain’s electricity, many renewable features are disconnected as a security measure. A great disappointment There has been a common fall, as it does not interconnect with other countries to maintain the need and to maintain the generation.
Lack of restriction that guarantees energy security?There is the most regulated electrical infrastructure in Europe in Spain. This is not the issue of regulatory deficit, which is a problem of investment. Big Electric is now starting from Iberrola, Red Electrica you need to invest and invest in what you need. We have been announcing many experts in this field for two years. The problem is that we are at two speeds by introducing a renewable and network infrastructure. Everything is left for us, it creates a accuracy in electrical infrastructure.
The energy mixture was 74% renewable during the fall (light and air). Was it right or too much?No, it’s not too much. This may be stable, but you should think that this electricity is not standard. It may have swings and peaks. We need support technologies that can hide those small events or holes in the power generation, such as nuclear and hydroelectric power, such as coordinated circulation, if possible events or dysfunction or possible problems in the power generation system. But on Monday, the nuclear power was five of the seven stopped furnaces. He joined everything.
Why five at seven nuclear stops?Some because, with excessive renewable generations, they are asked to reduce generation skills They stop because they are not profitable to produce zero. Another had a compulsory strike. The truth is that seven stops were running with five or low loads.
In fact, the debate on nuclear power in Spanish electricity generates income.The government raises the closing of nuclear power plants because they require millions of millions of -teller investments and their strategic energy scheme. But I protect that there should be a system that does not provide imbalances. We need to use all the technologies, especially those that can give us peace of mind. We need to maintain nuclear power as a supportive energy.
Some experts point to the lack of renewable storage infrastructure, which may take 12 or 24 months.There is an ambitious plan for technology, storage assistance, but planning, allows, all the time and delays.
In the meantime? Basks?Because, in the meantime the stage is current, so we have to work. We need to configure electricity that allows you to remain silent, Use all energy according to the demand and need for the day.
Portugal has claimed that it was not reopened with Spain and demanded an investigation, which is our fault?Yes. Rotundo. There is no debate, completely. But Portugal also knew about this risk because we coordinate our electrical systems. Is Single Peninsula Electrical System.
What does Spain mean “an energy island”?In fact, the only thing we have with France is that the only thing that combines us to Europe is very few. They are 2000 MW, 2 Gigawat, and 15 Gigawat. Law and By European orders we already have an interconnected 10%of 8000 MW, 8 gigawatThe current is not 2000. In 2030 I had to reach 20%. According to European orders, if we are interconnected, we will now have a half of the organization’s decline as 15 Gigawat.
“France is not interested in increasing the interconnected of the Iberian Peninsula with Europe”
Do you think France deliberately blocks interconnected?
Yes. It does not present the type of other doubts. France lives all its nuclear power to export all its nuclear power to the EU and other countries of Spain, with Portugal, a force in the production of certified green energy, and has a large export capacity at the most competitive price. France is not interested in increasing the interconnection of the Iberian Peninsula with Europe.
Who pays the bill to what happened in the Great Brad?We need to establish responsibilities based on what happened. We must establish who is responsible for the enormous social and economic damage. Everything refers to an electricity and directly or indirectly, the Spanish government. If any installation is guilty, the central government should be the market operator that the federal government refers to, if the problems are intended to enter or deliberately disconnect and combine the problems of the electrical system. But those isolated failures, deliberately, cannot create the general darkness of the entire power system.
The person in charge is a electricity and, directly or indirectly, the Spanish government refers to everything
Do you think Petertis should resign?UF, is in a subtle position, but, well, i I think he will have to resign sooner or later.
Do you consider a success that has been replaced in 10-12 hours?Circle yes. We have similar examples in the most advanced countries, which have been raising energy zero for several days. California, the fourth economy of the world, restored its system and had a common blackout, for several days. In Spain, within the problem we experienced, The re -connection and restart capacity of the complete system is very fast, very efficient, true, true. Thanks to Red Electric. There are no potential reviews. The critic for electricity is that she knows that investments are not found and that they are necessary and have to be carried out. What the new planning takes is, everything is late and this system begins to create imbalances.
